Procharger has arrived.

[karh4ck3r]

Hey folks. Just wanted to update you. My Procharger has arrived and my car is going to Keith Craft Monday 7/7 for installation.

I'll update here as activities progress.

Rob

[BrianHare]

with PHOTOS!! this is going to be one crazy ride..what belt are you going to run? and how much PSI?

[Founder]

Hey folks. Just wanted to update you. My Procharger has arrived and my car is going to Keith Craft Monday 7/7 for installation.

I'll update here as activities progress.

Rob


I can't wait to see how this turns out

[EZCORPION]

and the madness begins... i cant wait to see it.

[karh4ck3r]

with PHOTOS!! this is going to be one crazy ride..what belt are you going to run? and how much PSI?

I'm not really sure. I will have to stop by and ask them those questions. I know we ordered the beefier blower than the one they list in their tuner kit since my heads and intake are ported.

Is it the belt that matters or the pulley size?

I will get answers for you.
Rob

[GONZOsMAGNUM]

Is it the belt that matters or the pulley size?

it'd be the size of the pulley that matters

[EZCORPION]

Where is this getting installed mind if i go by there tomorrow??? im off :D

[Founder]

Where is this getting installed mind if i go by there tomorrow??? im off :D



KMC

keithcraft motorsports in Plano

[EZCORPION]

im going then. :D i wana check out the beast.

[karh4ck3r]

it'd be the size of the pulley that matters

Okay, thats what I thought. I know the pulley they are using is supposed to be 9lbs boost on a stock engine, but my engine has some serious porting and long -tube headers so they are going with more aggressive pulley. We are expecting about 6lbs boost when all is said and done.

Rob

[karh4ck3r]

im going then. :D i wana check out the beast.

I have them doing a couple of other things too, but I hope they have started on the supercharger. They are located on Ave J in Plano just north of Plano Parkway (near Frys).

Have fun looking at my car porn.

[GONZOsMAGNUM]

Okay, thats what I thought. I know the pulley they are using is supposed to be 9lbs boost on a stock engine, but my engine has some serious porting and long -tube headers so they are going with more aggressive pulley. We are expecting about 6lbs boost when all is said and done.

Rob

well, since you have a beefed-up engine, wouldn't you want MORE boost? I would think that 6psi would be for a stock engine and 9psi would be for a built-up motor.

stronger engine + more boost = more fun! :D

[Founder]

well, since you have a beefed-up engine, wouldn't you want MORE boost? I would think that 6psi would be for a stock engine and 9psi would be for a built-up motor.

stronger engine + more boost = more fun! :D

X2,


this is going to be one fun ride, Can't wait to see it done !!!!!!!

[karh4ck3r]

well, since you have a beefed-up engine, wouldn't you want MORE boost? I would think that 6psi would be for a stock engine and 9psi would be for a built-up motor.

stronger engine + more boost = more fun! :D

Yes sir I agree. I didn't really order any specific boost. What I ordered was 550HP at the rear wheels! So that is the target. Much beyond that and I think more mods would be required to handle the additional power above 550. After all, besides the porting, engine is stock and I figure over some amount of HP you have to build up the bottom end and heads, then half shafts probably need to replaced. At least thats my thought. You guys can share your thoughts.

Rob

[Redfox0099]

I'm not really sure. I will have to stop by and ask them those questions. I know we ordered the beefier blower than the one they list in their tuner kit since my heads and intake are ported.

Is it the belt that matters or the pulley size?

I will get answers for you.
Rob



Hold on....you order a kit and don't even know what you got????? Damm, must be nice to just ....forget it, I won't be an ass.

[beandip77]

Hold on....you order a kit and don't even know what you got????? Damm, must be nice to just ....forget it, I won't be an ass.

I'm sorry, did I read that correctly? :Na_Na_Na_Na:

[Founder]

Yes sir I agree. I didn't really order any specific boost. What I ordered was 550HP at the rear wheels! So that is the target. Much beyond that and I think more mods would be required to handle the additional power above 550. After all, besides the porting, engine is stock and I figure over some amount of HP you have to build up the bottom end and heads, then half shafts probably need to replaced. At least thats my thought. You guys can share your thoughts.

Rob


I think you can run 550 without issues, read about Jmatts adventures (300cforumz.com) with NOX, it was right about at 550 I think he starting having tranny and half shaft issues if i remember correctly

Also, get to know nathan (redfox) he knows a lot about what will fail when

[Redfox0099]

I got $20 that says you won't make even 500 at the wheel with any heat in the motor...

I know it will make your wee-wee look bigger to you if you can say you have X amount of HP in a street car but above about 480 RWHP the car becomes unmanageable in less than perfect conditions.... but what do I know, I only have 73,000 miles on my car and
54,000 something on my 426 Stroker.

BTW any of you know how much HP my car makes...nope, cause I don't care. (January Dyno Day breaking the dyno excluded)

[Redfox0099]

and on a stock bottom end I give you 3-4 months TOPS before you blow a hole in the block..it won't be at WOT but around town driving....

[TripleB]

...you won't make even 500 at the wheel with any heat in the motor...

...I know it will make your wee-wee look bigger...

...but what do I know...

...nope, cause I don't care...

...I won't be an ass...

lol I guess he took it back... :confused:

[NEVRL8]

I won't be an ass.

Too late!

[Redfox0099]

It's my Birthday and I will be an Ass if I....well really guys am I being an Ass or a realists.

Let's Review.

1. You buy a kit to put on a stock bottom end motor and your requirement is 550 RWHP.
2. A stock SRT-8 will make anywhere (from my experiences) 350-380 RWHP.


karh4ck3r Mod List:
Black 2006 Charger SRT-8. Intake and heads ported. Kooks long tube headers and Zoomers cat back exhaust. K&N Cold air intake. TIEN Suspension with EDFC. And certain electronic countermeasures we won't talk about.

So we have a stock SRT-8 with P&P Heads/intake, headers, and a catback...the rest is irrelevant.

Let's be nice and say his SRT with his mods put him on a "realistic" dyno at 410-430 RWHP....so he wants a kit to bolt on and make 550... -430= 120+- from a bolt on kit and tuning..BTW I don't see a Diablo in his Mod list and if he is running a Unichip or SMT-6 to tune the car I change my timetable to him blowing a fist size hole in the block to 3-4 weeks.


See this is what is gonna happen...dude buys a S/C (bigger than recommended since he thinks having P&P Heads and Long Tubes makes his motor a lot stronger...it just makes it breathe better) and you will hear about him getting it installed AND LOVING IT!!!!!

Then comes the dyno...ug...493 RWHP and 507 Torque....well, maybe if we turn the boost up Sir we can get you the 550 RWHP you wanted.

So you go turn the boost up and tune it for WOT...hopefully....but it isn't WOT that blows the motor. You see, WOT is where the motor runs off a different VE table for fueling, WOT the car is more prone to dump lots of fuel and cool the pistons better.

What the concern on a stock block should be is around town where you are in the part throttle applications. When the IAT sensor (Intake Air Temperature for you kiddies having this read to you as a bedtime story) reads at a certain point above +-110* it start pulling timing because of concern for detonation. Detonation in most tuned cars happens at it worst point at 45-55% load on a motor and at that partial throttle placement your car is not adding as much fuel as WOT...less fuel equals higher temps in the cylinders... a higher EGT (Exhaust Gas Temp) is an indication of running too lean and a high EGT will indicate a good possibility of melting a piston...yes you can melt one.

So if you can swallow your pride and be happy with a 4-6 PSI boosted motor you will be HAPPY ALL DAY LONG on your stock block..but if you let your foolish pride get the best of you...I predict BOOM (and of course you won't let us know it blew...you will probably just disappear for a few weeks and..."Hey guys, I decided to get a stroker motor cause that's cooler!!!")

Now with a larger C.I.D. motor like a 392 or 426 I can see your wishes of 550 RWHP being answered and yes I know there is some dyno queen down in Florida that made 600+..but I bet you never hear of that car being a daily driver or tracked any.


sorry for the long post, yes it is my Birthday but because of work I am hours from home sitting in my hotel room watching TV and typing on a laptop.... I am not trying to be an ass at all, I have played this game before is all.

[TripleB]

Happy Birthday Redfox

[Redfox0099]

...what no Witty responses?

[karh4ck3r]

Hold on....you order a kit and don't even know what you got????? Damm, must be nice to just ....forget it, I won't be an ass.

Ok, and I won't say "too late".

[Redfox0099]

"too late" for what?

What other work are you having done???? Those items will change the equation.

[karh4ck3r]

>It's my Birthday and I will be an Ass if I....well really guys am I being an Ass or a realists.
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Yes you are being an ass. But that doesn't make you wrong, just an ass. I welcome your opinion(s) anyway. Happy Birthday!
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>Let's Review.
>
>1. You buy a kit to put on a stock bottom end motor and your requirement is 550 RWHP.
>2. A stock SRT-8 will make anywhere (from my experiences) 350-380 RWHP.
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Correct.
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>karh4ck3r Mod List:
>Black 2006 Charger SRT-8. Intake and heads ported. Kooks long tube headers and Zoomers cat back exhaust. K&N Cold air intake. TIEN Suspension with EDFC. And certain electronic countermeasures we won't talk about.[/COLOR]
>
>So we have a stock SRT-8 with P&P Heads/intake, headers, and a catback...the rest is irrelevant.
>
>Let's be nice and say his SRT with his mods put him on a "realistic" dyno at 410-430 RWHP....so he wants a kit to bolt on and make 550... -430= 120+- from a bolt on kit and tuning..BTW I don't see a Diablo in his Mod list and if he is running a Unichip or SMT-6 to tune the car I change my timetable to him blowing a fist size hole in the block to 3-4 weeks.
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Since my Diablo is a handheld device and is not actually installed I do not list it in my mods. I can add it to the list if it will make you happy. It will be tuned with guidance from both Procharger and Diablo.

Procharger claims an add of about 150HP at around 6psi. So this doesn't sound reasonable to you? Please enlighten me.
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>See this is what is gonna happen...dude buys a S/C (bigger than recommended since he thinks having P&P Heads and Long Tubes makes his motor a lot stronger...it just makes it breathe better) and you will hear about him getting it installed AND LOVING IT!!!!!
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I ordered what was recommended by Procharger. Perhaps you know more than they do. I know I don't. So yes, I'm loving it.
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>Then comes the dyno...ug...493 RWHP and 507 Torque....well, maybe if we turn the boost up Sir we can get you the 550 RWHP you wanted.

>So you go turn the boost up and tune it for WOT...hopefully....but it isn't WOT that blows the motor. You see, WOT is where the motor runs off a different VE table for fueling, WOT the car is more prone to dump lots of fuel and cool the pistons better.

>What the concern on a stock block should be is around town where you are in the part throttle applications. When the IAT sensor (Intake Air Temperature for you kiddies having this read to you as a bedtime story) reads at a certain >point above +-110* it start pulling timing because of concern for detonation. Detonation in most tuned cars happens >at it worst point at 45-55% load on a motor and at that partial throttle placement your car is not adding as much fuel as WOT...less fuel equals higher temps in the cylinders... a higher EGT (Exhaust Gas Temp) is an indication of running too lean and a high EGT will indicate a good possibility of melting a piston...yes you can melt one.
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I see lots of words here. However my area of expertise is Information Systems and networks. But you sound really smart though. Your wee-wee must be very large, or at least your balls.
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>So if you can swallow your pride and be happy with a 4-6 PSI boosted motor you will be HAPPY ALL DAY LONG on >your stock block..but if you let your foolish pride get the best of you...I predict BOOM (and of course you won't let >us know it blew...you will probably just disappear for a few weeks and..."Hey guys, I decided to get a stroker motor cause that's cooler!!!")
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If you had actually read my other posts, you would know that I already have some thoughts that this thing might blow up in my face and have had thoughts about a stroker. I am fine with an excuse to build up a 426 stroker.
So should I spit or swallow? I yield to your experience.
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>Now with a larger C.I.D. motor like a 392 or 426 I can see your wishes of 550 RWHP being answered and yes I know there is some dyno queen down in Florida that made 600+..but I bet you never hear of that car being a daily driver or tracked any. If you send me your personal email I'll send you a picture of my engine should it blow.

>sorry for the long post, yes it is my Birthday but because of work I am hours from home sitting in my hotel room watching TV and typing on a laptop.... I am not trying to be an ass at all, I have played this game before is all.
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Wow, this is more typing than I did at work today.
Rob

[karh4ck3r]

"too late" for what?

What other work are you having done???? Those items will change the equation.

Too late to NOT be an ass!

Other work, you mean besides the blower, injectors, fuel pump and dyno tune? I'm having a header gasket replaced and a battery separator installed. But I don't think the latter is equation changing.
Rob

[karh4ck3r]

...what no Witty responses?

Is a witty response what you really want? Oh, sorry.

[Redfox0099]

No it's cool, I am just bored....but the Red Soxs won so the night was good...the fries could of used more salt though.

Yeah I got a small wee-wee and I am cool with it, I make up for it with my winning charm.

Pro charger knows their stuff, no doubt....but it is your driving in-town I worry about.

I run a Dash Hawk, a Air-Fuel/EGT gauge that data logs, and installed a Car PC so I could monitor my car or data log when I needed to, I have studied this stuff a little as with my job I have a lot of downtime like right now where I spend the evenings in a hotel room with nothing to do but watch ESPN.

Look I wish the best for you and I hope you do it right and get it tuned on a load bearing dyno and do the partial throttle tuning as the most important part...

Call me if you want, I might be an ass but I have been in these Gen III Hemi as much or more than most. I freely admit I am an amateur mechanic, no doubt, but I have over 1400 hours logged in my SRT-8 Magnum and I watch my gauges as much if not more sometimes than the road.

[karh4ck3r]

No it's cool, I am just bored....but the Red Soxs won so the night was good...the fries could of used more salt though.

Yeah I got a small wee-wee and I am cool with it, I make up for it with my winning charm.

Pro charger knows their stuff, no doubt....but it is your driving in-town I worry about.

I run a Dash Hawk, a Air-Fuel/EGT gauge that data logs, and installed a Car PC so I could monitor my car or data log when I needed to, I have studied this stuff a little as with my job I have a lot of downtime like right now where I spend the evenings in a hotel room with nothing to do but watch ESPN.

Look I wish the best for you and I hope you do it right and get it tuned on a load bearing dyno and do the partial throttle tuning as the most important part...

Call me if you want, I might be an ass but I have been in these Gen III Hemi as much or more than most. I freely admit I am an amateur mechanic, no doubt, but I have over 1400 hours logged in my SRT-8 Magnum and I watch my gauges as much if not more sometimes than the road.

I want honest thoughts. Just so you aren't doing it to pee on my fun.

Oh! CarPC now you are speaking my language. What kind of CarPC are you running and what all does it interface to? I have been building up my own design over some time and still have some design decisions to make.

Also, what are the best and worst aspects of the Dashawk?

But type quietly so ezscorpion doesn't notice or he'll start a new thread.
Thanks
Rob

[Redfox0099]

Oh! CarPC now you are speaking my language. What kind of CarPC are you running and what all does it interface to? I have been building up my own design over some time and still have some design decisions to make.




Car PC:
http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=102051

Dash Hawk: If you plan on using it then it is great, you can't get it to display at the same time as you are logging with your Predator (which you have but don't list as a MOD even though it is a very important one :biggrin:)

I use the Car PC mostly for INTERNET access and data logging, you can see I have a mobile mount for it so it is not visible all the time nor is it needed all the time.

Nathan the guy with the small wee-wee

:4-wavey:

[beandip77]

Car PC:
http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=102051

Dash Hawk: If you plan on using it then it is great, you can't get it to display at the same time as you are logging with your Predator (which you have but don't list as a MOD even though it is a very important one :biggrin:)

I use the Car PC mostly for INTERNET access and data logging, you can see I have a mobile mount for it so it is not visible all the time nor is it needed all the time.

Nathan the guy with the small wee-wee

:4-wavey:

Finally a truthful statement!!!! :D

[karh4ck3r]

Hey folks. Just wanted to update you. My Procharger has arrived and my car is going to Keith Craft Monday 7/7 for installation.

I'll update here as activities progress.

Rob

The Procharger is mounted. There is a lot of stuff in the engine compartment that has to be relocated to fit that beast in there. Procharger short shipped the hardware and it was missing a pulley which will arrive on Monday. I also ordered some Auto Meter Nexus gauges http://www.autometer.com/demos/nexus/
to be installed.

Rob

[Rocks]

That's awesome. I can't wait to see this finished.

[TripleB]

it's getting exciting...!

[karh4ck3r]

Hey folks. Just wanted to update you. My Procharger has arrived and my car is going to Keith Craft Monday 7/7 for installation.

I'll update here as activities progress.

Rob

The ProCharger is completely installed. The new injectors are installed as is the new fuel pump and MAP sensor. The gauges (A/F, Boost, Fuel Pressure) are going in today. Not sure if the A-pillar pod has arrived yet.

Tuning has not yet begun.

[beandip77]

:popc1:..

[Founder]

The ProCharger is completely installed. The new injectors are installed as is the new fuel pump and MAP sensor. The gauges (A/F, Boost, Fuel Pressure) are going in today. Not sure if the A-pillar pod has arrived yet.

Tuning has not yet begun.

Man i can't wait to see and hear and maybe drive this car, you think you can make it to the track Friday?

[karh4ck3r]

Man i can't wait to see and hear and maybe drive this car, you think you can make it to the track Friday?

It really depends on when TSS gets to the tuning! Looks like he won't be able to start on the tuning until Friday at the earliest! :(

Even if I could make it to the track I wouldn't be ready to run on it. I need to wait until after the "break in period", which is the amount of time it takes me to get used to the new setup and confident enough to run it down a track.

My right foot is twitching.

rob

[Founder]

It really depends on when TSS gets to the tuning! Looks like he won't be able to start on the tuning until Friday at the earliest! :(

Even I could make it to the track I wouldn't be ready to run on it. I need to wait until after the "break in period", which is the amount of time it takes me to get used to the new setup and confident enough to run it down a track.

My right foot is twitching.

rob


I bet !!!!!!!!!!!!

I would be freaking out right now, on the edge of my seat

[Founder]

ANY update?

[karh4ck3r]

ANY update?


Everything is installed. The gauges look bad ass! Still waiting on TSS to do the tune. I still don't have confirmation on if he can start Friday or not.

rob

[Founder]

Everything is installed. The gauges look bad ass! Still waiting on TSS to do the tune. I still don't have confirmation on if he can start Friday or not.

rob


Some pictures would be awesome !!!!!

[karh4ck3r]

Some pictures would be awesome !!!!!

Ok, I have a camera with me today and will stop by the shop and try to get some pics! And that is all I will get today because TSS will not be doing the tuning today either!

I sure miss my car. :(

Rob

[Founder]

Ok, I have a camera with me today and will stop by the shop and try to get some pics! And that is all I will get today because TSS will not be doing the tuning today either!

I sure miss my car. :(

Rob


I bet you are going CRAZY !!!!

[karh4ck3r]

I bet you are going CRAZY !!!!

That might be an understatement.

[Founder]

That might be an understatement.


ibet, it's more like


i bet your going CRAZY !!!!!!

[Redfox0099]

What bar map did they use?

What fuel injectors?

[karh4ck3r]

I bet you are going CRAZY !!!!

Still going crazy! Mike with TSS has a base tune working so we can drive it onto the Dyno. Once we figure out what is going on with the voltages we are getting from the MAP sensor (wrong sensor?, bad sensor?), it should be ready for dyno tuning.

I hope to see it on the Dyno this evening.

Rob

[Founder]

Still going crazy! Mike with TSS has a base tune working so we can drive it onto the Dyno. Once we figure out what is going on with the voltages we are getting from the MAP sensor (wrong sensor?, bad sensor?), it should be ready for dyno tuning.

I hope to see it on the Dyno this evening.

Rob



How is it all going?

[karh4ck3r]

How is it all going?

The MAP sensor issue has been fixed. We ordered a thing to fix the fuel flow issue that will arrive Thursday and be installed. Mike with TSS will be available on Friday to do some tuning.

Rob

[GONZOsMAGNUM]

The MAP sensor issue has been fixed. We ordered a thing to fix the fuel flow issue that will arrive Thursday and be installed. Mike with TSS will be available on Friday to do some tuning.

Rob
AWESOME! Glad to hear it's comin' together and about to finally get tuned up!

[karh4ck3r]

AWESOME! Glad to hear it's comin' together and about to finally get tuned up!

Yes. More delay, we didn't seem to have the right tables for the injectors that were installed. I think we have them now, I'm told tuning will be this afternoon!

Rob

[Founder]

Yes. More delay, we didn't seem to have the right tables for the injectors that were installed. I think we have them now, I'm told tuning will be this afternoon!

Rob



What are your HP expectations with this system Rob

[DFWcharger]

Did it get tuned? You can't go four days with no post thats un american.

[TSS]

Did it get tuned? You can't go four days with no post thats un american.


YES he did!!!! But even he doesnt know the outcome!!!!!!! :)

[Founder]

YES he did!!!! But even he doesnt know the outcome!!!!!!! :)


What is the outcome?????????????

[karh4ck3r]

What are your HP expectations with this system Rob

I would like to see 550HP, but I'm not sure that is realistic since it is a daily driver. The saga continues. I'm not sure where it will end up.

Rob

[karh4ck3r]

What is the outcome?????????????

The guys at Keith Craft feel the boost is too high and there is too much timing being pulled out. The plan is to switch to a different pulley to get the boost down to around 6 PSI and try again at the tune.

Sorry, but this is going to go on until we have it all ironed out.

Rob

[Founder]

The guys at Keith Craft feel the boost is too high and there is too much timing being pulled out. The plan is to switch to a different pulley to get the boost down to around 6 PSI and try again at the tune.

Sorry, but this is going to go on until we have it all ironed out.

Rob



you have to do what is safe for your motor, how much boost are you running now?

[Redfox0099]

550 rwhp or crank? Mike was pretty impressd with my 480 rwhp.

I would like to see 550HP, but I'm not sure that is realistic since it is a daily driver. The saga continues. I'm not sure where it will end up.

Rob

[Founder]

550 rwhp or crank? Mike was pretty impressd with my 480 rwhp.



480 is sweet !!!!

[hondo69]

Do you have the pics and total HP yet!

[Founder]

Do you have the pics and total HP yet!


there is a thread that I started that has pictures

THIS CAR IS FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAST bro, FAST !!!